USC Sunday Buzz: The Reaction Was As Bad As The Game

If you do not get enough aggravation from watching USC, it gets worse when you hear the post-game explanations.

Here’s a few favorites:

Why did wide receiver Amon-Ra St. Brown get only two touches? Clay Helton said USC designed a special package for St. Brown tonight called the “Ocho package.”

“We actually had a special package for Amon-Ra tonight. We’re trying to do everything we can to get the ball in our playmakers’ hands,” Helton said.

And what about tailback Stephen Carr, who had only 10 carries for 52 yards while Aca’Cedric Ware got 18 for 59 yards.

“You saw Stephen work just like we did the first game, mixing in all three tailbacks,’ Helton said.

USC’s 3 points were the fewest it scored against Stanford since 1941. It was only the third time the Trojans did not score a TD in the past 25 years, joining the 1997 Washington game and 2016 Alabama game.

“We never think any team could hold us to 3,” offensive coordinator Tee Martin said. “That’s just outrageous for us to even think about.

“I don’t care if you’re in Little League or wherever you are, you have to execute. We just didn’t do that.”

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45 thoughts on “USC Sunday Buzz: The Reaction Was As Bad As The Game

    1. the new mantra of the coaches is to identify that individual players did not execute and that is the reason for the incompetence. just another way to deflect personal responsibility for the coaching staff.

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  1. Well 3rd year is what the new assessment of a coaches skill – Helton is in 3+ and the results are graphic – he doesn’t have the skill to prepare a team, lacks the assistant coaches who know how to utilize the team’s talents. Stanford is good but they’re NOT that good. Bad vibe for the balance of the year against better-coached teams – sooner Helton bids USC farewell the better for everyone.

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    1. Ted, there are THREE highly capable QBs on the roster. There are several highly skilled receivers and RBs. There is a top-rate FG kicker too. There is a complete group of players on offense. If you think “a break” is deserved for underutilizing such talent, I think the lunacy is all yours…

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      1. actually, you have to ask yourself why a major football powerhouse, like USC, would have no quarterback they can really even trust to execute simple pass plays? JT is a kid and hasnt been in the SC program long, so you cant blame him. Why cant they trust Fink to pass the ball? Why did Fink get the number 2 position above Sears? The bottom line is complete incompetence. Helton also promoted an inexperienced analyst with no experience to coach the QBs. And how effective has he been in getting the QB’s ready?

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    2. Ted…..YOU are the “rah rah” fan base. Continue to enjoy the white wine, seven-layer bean dip, tailgating and making the V sign to the sound of Conquest, and stick that Cardinal and Gold pom-pom straight up yer………No more check or support for the athletic department from me until Swan does something, meaning replace Helton, and bring in an experienced head football coach that knows how to hire competent, experienced assistants. I planned on going to Austin next weekend, where I have some family and a ton of friends and business connections, and I’m cancelling my trip today. I’d rather stay home and do yard work, paperwork, go to the dentist and have my teeth drilled or drink bleach than spend a few thousand dollars to go to Austin for the weekend to watch this crap. I can watch it on TV, have a few friends over and not spend the money on watching this crap. I’ve been to Austin probably 150 times in the last 8 years, so it’s not a novel trip for me, anyway. What a shame. I was looking forward to it. I can’t say the outcome last night surprises me in any way whatsoever, however. Expect a loss next week (27-17 or worse), and losses against Utah, Notre Dame, and probably Arizona State, which is playing above their talent ability due to their coach. Their WR (Harris) is going to torch Marshall all day long. Based on last night’s wealth of material, if SC continues down that path, losses to WSU and Colorado are entirely possible, as well. This is going to be a long season. I’d cancel my trip to Corvallis, as well, but it’s too much fun to go to the Oregon coast for a couple of days, and at least there’s that to mitigate crappy football.

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  2. I spent all day Saturday shut in with the flu watching CFB. By the time I got to the SC game – really, by the 2nd quarter – several things became apparent:
    1. Almost every other team I watched play, from Houston to South Carolina to Iowa State, played with more sense of team, determination, fire, and urgency. SC looks indifferent.
    2. It appears that nothing has changed in Helton’s method of preparing, coaching, motivating. There is a sickening feeling of great athletic talent being squandered.
    3. Within 10 minutes after kick-off a feeling of dreadful deja-vu set it. Is this so-called “Trojan Football” the new norm? How long will it be before watching SC play the game will be a rewarding experience again?
    4. If this program were an automobile, it would be a Hyundai parked in a lot filled with BMWs, Teslas, and a couple of Ferraris. It doesn’t belong in the Top 25.

    Having said this, I have to ask myself – and each of you – did I really expect anything more given the loss of key talent…and the same mediocre coaching staff?

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  3. I think we should of stuck to the run game early in the game because we were moving the ball 3-4 yards a pop. We should get rid of the running back by committee and let one back get a rhythm. Also, this will allow JT to get some TD drives under his belt.

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    1. it is difficult to continually run the ball when your offensive line is weak. sure they had some decent runs, but it was not consistent and evaporated when they get into the red zone. the problem is that they are not giving JT high probability passes to execute. i saw one nice screen play at the end of the 2nd quarter, when it didnt even matter. where is the use of tight ends? why dont they have any tight ends that can catch the ball? why arent they effectively using running backs as receivers, to get out into space? bottom line is that helton must go.

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  4. Pete Carroll USC Practices Schedule:
    Tell the Truth Monday: No Pads
    Competition Tuesday: Full Pads
    No Turn over Wednesday: Full Pads
    No Repeat Thursday’s: Shells
    Walkthrough Friday: No pads
    Game Saturday
    Rehab and Off Sunday.

    Clay Helton:
    Laser Tag Monday
    Two Hand Touch Tuesday
    We’ll be friends Wednesday
    Think good thoughts Thursday
    Friendly Friday’s
    Shit show Saturday’s
    Sermon Sunday’s

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    1. there is nothing “nice” about helton. he blames his kids for not executing, never taking blame himself. he doesnt prepare a freshman QB and then throws him to the lions to fend for himself (asking a freshman QB to save the day is not nice, it is pathetic). let’s stop saying helton is a nice guy. he is a politician and is destroying the lives of the players who trust him with their futures.

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  5. Stanford is a very average team, what does that say about USC ?

    Tee IQ 11 could have run the ball all night on Stanford, yet he shuffles RB’s like cards, no one gets into a rhythm, not the RB, not the OL, no one.

    It’s the same old shit show with the same old coaches and excuses, it’s not going to get better because Gomer doesn’t think anything’s wrong.

    5 loss season indeed.

    And where are all the Rah Rah Goner lover’s today ?

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  6. SC will not compete well vs top 10 teams…the top 10 actually prepare and practice for the LSU Clemson BAMAS ND’s Ohio States,they develop their teams and q/b’s I think SC has decided they have the built in excuse, a newbie q/b…so we lose. Why helton wants to practice in shorts like tennis and vball teams is beyond any football I;ve seen since going to SC games since 1951…no one ever wasted talent like this. THE AD better step in soon…this is just 1 of the 4 or 5 losses still to come…you play like you practice…3 star players beat 4 star players this way…good football coaching and 4-5 stars beat other 4-5 stars too…good preparation,hard 1 vs 1 practices.

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  7. Don’t want to speak about Usc football at all. My last 2 tweets.

    Be nice if the myopic Trojan fan would wake up and see realize the Helton and his staff are not qualified. Darnold masked the ineptitude of the offensive line and the poor scheme being run. No leadership was on display and been an issue since the hire.

    Bottom line is this needs to be a topic of conversation. Hard to believe that talented roster as this can underachieve especially on away games. #USC is 8-7 away from home under Helton. I don’t expect perfection but mediocre effort and results at this point falls on the coaching.

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  8. You called out for Toa Lobendahn, you got him…I remarked last week that #62 Brett Neilon had a great game. So did Coach Helton. Why did he take Brett out of the lineup against Stanford? Best players play is good coach speak, but when you have to bite the bullet, it’s an evaluation and courage test. Senior loyalty or whatever must go. Brett Neilon is better and healthier than Toa Lobendahn, at this point in their careers!!!!! Case in point: what was the most critical play of the first half? The 4th and short with a little over a minute to go until halftime. The score was only 7-0!!!! Toa gets sucked into a pile drive decoy double team with our right guard, #72 Vorhees, and Stanford wraps a stunt around to the middle of our o-line where Toa got lured and vacated away from, SACK!!! FUMBLE! Came from right up the gut! Our left guard, #77 Brown couldn’t slide all the way over in time to stop Stanford’s Alfiere!!!!!! Pressure came all night up the middle because Toa has little to nothing left. As noted before, he’s got a couple surgeries on him, and he’s never gonna be the same!!!!!! Sorry, Toa..I’ve had multiple, I know, and had to come to this realization….Difficult, but Brett is best for the team’s future.

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    1. IN ADDITION, Ajene Harris, our vaunted nickel back, CANNOT PLAY THE RUN, ESPECIALLY ON THE LINE OF SCRIMMAGE WHERE THEIR BIG TIGHT ENDS CAN GET INTO HIM OMG!!!!! BRYCE LOVE’s first score and his 59 yard run SHOW THIS ON TAPE OMG!!!!!

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      1. NEXT: #82 PETITE doesn’t seem to be able to catch a pass that he gets two hands on unless he’s all alone like some seven on seven drill! He surely can’t pass block, either!!!! He whiffed one time completely and JTD WAS SACKED!!!! Coaching loyalty can only go so far, as these players have been in the program for YEARS! They’re not going to get any better!

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      2. You have to be able to identify the issues and MAKE HARD DECISIONS TO FIX THEM!!! Maybe there are younger players in the system with higher upsides!!!! Even if you have to bare with them! These older players have topped out! Maybe, you should change your schemes and positioning a little! Why would you have Ajene Harris up on the line of scrimmage squared up against a Stanford tight end? He got worked nearly every time!!!

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      3. And, yes, Scott, Stephen Carr is our best overall threat at tailback!!! Again, Coach has gone overboard with senior loyalty to the point of contradicting him saying the best players play!!! And don’t get me started on this Matt Fink scenario!!! I grew up only a few miles from Glendora High!!! In fact, I went to Royal Oak which is now Charter Oak, AND AT NO TIME WAS GLENDORA EVER FEARED IN FOOTBALL LOL LOL!!!! THEY ARE ZERO IN FOOTBALL!!! Always have been!!!!! Glendora has been good in basketball and baseball but they aren’t nearly better in football than even Charter Oak!!!!! GOOD KID OK…Runner ok…BUT THAT’s IT!!!

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      4. For all you folks who defend Fink, he went to Glendora High….,I am expert on the neighborhoods here!!!!!’ YOU ALL AREN’T!!!!!!’

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      5. When I say go out to Cajon San Bernardino and recruit JAYDEN DANIELS AND DARREN BROWN until they’re convinced to come to USC, I MEAN IT! We don’t have all the players we need yet!

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      6. It seems like I see him making mistakes all the time. He basically got pancaked on that run, gets up and blindly starts chasing the TE completely away from the play. He’s always flashing for the wrong reasons.

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  9. I was actually looking for a tougher smackdown from Scottie today. Instead, we had a terrible game, a terrible post-game, and a weak analysis from Scottie (a la, “WHY” the Ocho package suggestion was ridiculous). All three phases need to get better for Texas.

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  10. I think JT needs to watch a lot of film on Sam Darnold to see how you play QB behind a USC offensive line. Sam’s instinct was to escape the pocket and JT’s instinct is to step up into it. I love the way he steps up like that but we aren’t able to create the clean pocket he was accustomed to at Mater Dei. Unfortunately, I think we’re going to have to let him roll out more and move the pocket for him next week. Texas has a quicker, more athletic front 7 than Stanford and they gotta be pinning their ears back and licking their chops already. JT throws well on the run, we can’t keep waiting for this O-line to be good, move him. There’s a reason Sam led the country in fumbles last year and it’s the same reason JT fumbled last night. If it’s not Callaway, why aren’t we better up front?

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    1. Daniels had an OL at MD that could block, he doesn’t have that at SC, he didn’t run for his life in high school and it’s also why he’s throwing off his back foot and don’t look for the OL to get any better.

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      1. He has talent on the o line but it is the philosophy, coaching, and the o coordinator by not running a fullback that make them look bad

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      2. We can’t even block when we have more blockers than there are people rushing. You’re sacrificing receivers in the pattern for protection you’re not getting.

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  11. 6-6 in ’18. Maybe 5-7.
    Due to starting a freshman quarterback, that will be the coach’s line.
    Wait until Texas gets after JT.
    Sears? Better be ready.

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  12. SCooter,

    I will save you the trouble of rating the team and the coaches, they all get F -. The ocoordinator has no clue on what SC can and can’t do. He runs plays that are weak for the offense. He doesn’t know how to set up plays or get the receivers open. The receivers need to catch the ball. Too many drops. If the plays go outside on the run, then the middle opens up.

    NO Firein the belly. When SC got smashed in the mouth, they said thank you and nice play.

    Where in the heck was Helton, Martin, Drevno, Calloway on the pass interferences by Stanford? They were not there supporting or defending USC, the receivers, or the qb.

    Where were the db’s? Everyone knoppws that they are throwing to the te’s. Houston, the over allowed the te to release without hitting him on the line of scrimmage if he hits him, that slows him down on the release and he might not catch the ball. The db’s were non existent. Why even have them.

    This game was winnable but Martin kept running the same route which was,go long. No square outs, slants, or over the middle.

    Sc will be lucky to win one more game. Don’t think for a second that Washington St. won’t beat SC. They are looking forward to scorching sc. I hope SC loses about five games and the fans and alumni say they have had enough of this crud, along with the joke of the coliseum itself.

    Swann is a joke. How can he put up with Martin, Calloway, and the dB coach? Oh, I forgot, he is just a statue to remind people how great SC used to be. All he is good enough is to collect his $ million + salary per year and live in Hanock Park.

    The administration, AD, and the football coaches are below standard.

    This will be the fall of Troy

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    1. Agree that there needs to be scorched earth policy. The SC football team has alot of brand equity that is being dismantled. I thought that maybe with all the returning seniors and a great new QB the team could excel. But it is time for the Clay Helton experiment to end.

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  13. With USC still reeling from the turmoil and mess left by Max Nikias, who would have the authority to fire Clay Helton in order to get the football program back on track? And don’t tell me Lynn Swann because that guy is absolutely worthless.

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    1. Maybe a student/player revolt? I wonder at what point the players will get tired of having Clay and Tee blame them for the performance, instead of taking responsibility for being poor coaches?

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  14. I love SC Football for many a year yet watching this Stanford game was discouraging. No mis-Direction in our our running game, EVER! no PUSH from our o-line in KEY short yardage situations, RARELY do we utilize OUR Tight Ends and our MID-AREA passing game, (like Stanford consistently does), Our offense is generally TOO predictable… we consistently make it WAY TOO EASY for opponents to scheme against us, our Freshman QB STARING recievers down WAY TOO MUCH… Our Coaches seemingly AFRAID 2 pull the trigger in a game, (inserting new TALENT ). Are the coaches REALLY PLAYING THE BEST PLAYERS AT ALL TIMES? Personally, I’D LOVE 2 see Jack SEARS get a chance under fire, we’ve SEEN JT, a very good passer BUT STILL A RAW FRESHMAN! With OBVIOUS areas in his game to work on still, (no shame in that, but should NOT BE OUR ONLY QB ON THIS ROSTER ON PRIME Time!). There are NO EXCUSES at this level, Come on coach, Jack Sears has BEEN IN the SYSTEM a FULL YEAR! He’s got GOOD SIZE, CAN RUN AND CAN ALSO THROW THE BALL WELL… IF OFFENSE IS NOT SCORING, THEN BRING IN RELIEF PITCHER!!! IT’S what SABAN DOES! NOT ROCKET SCIENCE Coach! NEXT MAN UP TILL WE START PUTTING UP TD’s! Our SC QB’s can’t afford 2 have egos HERE! They are all big boys, No matter how highly touted… Ask, “ARE they MOVING US TOWARD VICTORY TODAY, HERE AND NOW IN THIS GAME???” If not, NEXT MAN UP, PERIOD! And let the chips fall where they may… It’s called Coaching MOXIE! The good ones seem 2 have it, in ANY SPORT… WHEN R we gonna get MORE STRENGTH, PUSH & CREATIVITY IN OUR O-Line and our Offense in general? That falls under coaching folks, anyway you slice it… We DON’T seem ready 2 consistently compete with TOP 10 programs, though we should, though we generally recruit VERY WELL, (credit 2 Coach Helton, here). He’s Done A VERY, VERY GOOD job in recruiting, he’s also an “adult in the room” (to his credit), which is ALWAYS important when leading young men, and is a big REASON why Parents like him, however, in summation, with regards 2 competing with the Top Football Programs, our team’s overall preparation, offensive adjustments, our failure in effectually using/INSERTION of talent, (as game clearly develops), evidently is NOT ON PAR with these TOP PROGAMS… The question is, IS THIS GONNA BE OK AT SC??? If so, for how long???

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  15. I can’t watch the current incarnation. This is not a coach for a top 10 team. He’s the middle of the pac (a notoriously weak pac). Last year (a supposedly good team), SC got dominated by Ohio State, Alabama, and ND. They had a great QB, very good RB and some very good defensive players. I didn’t think he should have been hired (thank you Pat Haden for yet another coaching disaster) and after last year I would have had him replace his defensive coaching staff. This year, the coach (I don’t want to learn his name…seems like a Kiffin, Sark clone but without the ability to close on a recruit is well on his way to finding another job… maybe he can coach a UCLA, we could only be so lucky…

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