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Discuss The USC-ASU Game

Another week, another embarrassing loss.

USC’s defense is so porous and unable to tackle.

The offense is anemic and I cannot explain the way the QBs are rotated because it makes no sense.

Jaxson Dart led USC to its first TD and then gets yanked for Kedon Slovis.

What are these coaches thinking? I’m tired of the Donte Williams era.

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    1. LMFAO!

      #1 Fickell fanboy Scott Wolf almost saw his boy Luke snatch defeat from the jaws of victory tonight when Cincinnati should have lost to Tulsa.

      A Tulsa team that was beaten by FCS UC Davis.

      Fickell fanboy Scott Wolf sure knows how to pick ’em, huh?

      OH MY SIDE HURTS FROM LAUGHING SO MUCH!

      AHA HA HA HA HA HA HA!

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      2. Donte was hired for recruiting purposes so why are any of you clowns shocked that he can’t coach worth a shit?

        You clowns are just as dumb as he is.

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    2. Have spent many years in management, I see this from my vantage point. There is no management, no leadership. It looks, to me, that Donte is making the rookie manager mistakes of trying to please everyone instead of recognizing his job is to make the right decision for the organization, not try a fool’s errand of trying to please everyone. That’s impossible. Bohn is an absolute failure to drop the job onto an inexperienced Donte and then being MIA instead of managing him. SC will not get better until it has strong leadership and a direction. The most successful teams don’t necessarily have the most super stars, what they have is a common goal and good leadership. They play like a team. The current SC team looks like a group of individuals who were thrown together at the last minute and told to beat the guys in the other uniform. Their confusion is evident and depressing.

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    1. Between the fools commentating and the number of commercials, watching and listening to a game requires fortitude. Yogi Roth is my least favorite.

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  3. I guess Slovis was more important for the team because his family and friends were there to see him play. What about the rest of team Donte Williams? That QB rotation was a horrible.

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    1. Rest of “the team”? What Team? This is a just a bunch of guys playing on the field at the same time.
      I think it was Fuck You who said he doubted I even watched the games. Well, after tonight I really won’t be watching. I’ll still be here –making childish comments but it won’t be based on watching Trojan sports. It’s just a waste of time now.
      Urban Meyer WANTED to come to USC and fix the program. Folt, that hypocritical horse’s ass, was offended by his interest. We kept goofy Clay instead od Urban Meyer. That says it all.
      Fuck Bohn and Folt.

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      1. I couldn’t agree with you more MG. Bohn and Folt are the 2 biggest problems facing USC has right now. Thanks for fixing team for me. You are right there is no team. Those 2 got to go before they destroy what made USC great. Those 2 idiots are fucin clueless.
        The fan base was hyped up for Urban Meyer who was in their own back yard and they stuck with clueless Clay over game balls. That Kedon Slovis and Drake London deserved for beating UCLA. That decision alone shows they are both incompetent and need to be shown the door asap. Everyone sees USC as a clown college noe but them.

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      2. yeah, MG, exactly…well, Daniels didn’t account for 6 TDs, but this result kind of offset the undeserved win from last year…you could see how badly the ASU team is coached on game day, but even with that, light years ahead of the dumpster fire at USC…2021 has clearly put in the shade any of the other teams contending for worst in the post Jess Hill era to rest…and even though there are lots of “sub errors,” it all goes back to the (conscious/subconscious, no matter) decision to deemphasize football, most destructively evidenced by the retention of Helton. And the same ‘bozo clowns,’ to paraphrase Owns, are still pulling the strings.

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      3. Perfect!!!!I remember seeing an interview with Tony Dungy during which he was asked what was the difference between the two teams he brought to the Super Bowl: the first lost, the second won. He quickly responded, the first team I took was filled with super stars, the second team did not have individually great super stars, but they played like a team together and for each other. That made the difference. The TEAM WON. Until USC has a great coach to unify them and give them achievable goals, they will not succeed.

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      4. Probably not a lot of hockey fans on this site, but if anyone wants to see, in a sports context, what that looks like, look into what Barry Trotz accomplished in leading the Washington Capitals to a Stanley Cup title (beating good teams along the way, including the red hot inception year Vegas Golden Knights) – came into the position with a franchise that had experienced years of post-season failure, with arguably one of the 5 greatest offensive talents in the history of the sport (Alex Ovechkin)…remade most of the roster, changed the style of play from offense to defensive responsibility first…butted heads with his superstar to get him to buy in…and won (and then, as the Capitals have learned to their dismay, made the same mistake the Rams made in pressuring Dick Vermeil to retire immediately after winning the 2000 Super Bowl). Trotz has lead the New York Islanders to the brink of the Stanley Cup the last two seasons, and it would be no surprise if he wins it this year. Great coaches create a culture/atmosphere, demand accountability from themselves and consequently everyone involved in the enterprise, and know how to push players to maximize their individual abilities in a way that strengthens the group dynamic. Clay Helton and all associated with his tenure above and below do not grasp this concept. Helton is now gone. The responsible string-pullers are still here. Nothing has changed. Nothing will change…until/unless…

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      6. Folt and Shilala still in charge and destroying brick-by-brick the great private school programs in sunny palm-tree laden recruiting hotbeds West and East through either incompetence and/or malevolence.

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  4. ASU tried to give the game to USC up until the 4th qtr, and sadly this team did not accept the gift. A good or better than average team would have beat ASU tonight, but USC is not in that category.

    There were many questionable offensive play calls in that 3rd qtr by Graham Harrell, and that’s when the game was up for grabs, and it took away the possibility of gaining any type of momentum.

    One QB should be playing period . Alternating the QB’s makes little sense. I would use Dart though in the red zone for sure because of his ability to run with the game which keeps the defense guessing.

    All in All this loss was expected. USC is a below average team with no identity, and no leadership on offense and defense. It appears USC is playing not to lose with very little fire.

    Slovis should transfer, and probably will at the end of the season. If USC wants to get Dart ready for next season then start him quit fooling around with alternating the QB’s. I also will say ASU looked bad tonight despite having more talent than USC so I question whether Herm Edwards is doing a good job.

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      1. That’s the 2nd time in a week I agree completely with Owns!! Not a single one of us should claim that Herm Edwards is a bad coach when we kept the Village Idiot (who had 0 HC experience) for 6+years and gave him raises for mediocre performances that made him too expensive to fire for 2 of those years!! After the finger roll jump after scoring the TD, Dart was favoring the knee. Not smart.

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    1. …but I never thought Army would win another NC before USC….until tonight….
      #NoWayBohnMakesAHomeRunHire…
      #…ForOneThingHeDoesn’tWantOne

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      1. May be Bohn needs to be shown the door and not be involved in thr hiring of the next head coach. His dumb ass kept Helton for 2 years 2 long. Instead of having any backbone and telling Folt let me do my job you hired me for.

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    2. They almost won in Norman last year and are at the top of the cycle that Air Force and Navy went through for long periods using a triple option offense, having success, and occasionally beating name teams…don’t think USC would want to play them right now, in all seriousness.

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      1. James —I honestly don’t think USC WANTS to play anyone. They have no philosophy on offense and no toughness no defense (yes, there are the scattered good plays —but absolutely no cohesion, no continuity).
        There was a fighter I like named Sergio Mora who showed flashes of brilliance –but had no game plan in a fight. He was always winging it –trying this and, then, that. Never learned to just keep the jab out there and score some points. This team reminds me of watching Sergio fight. In courtroom battles you always have to have a “theory of the case” —a basic battle plan that you stick to on direct, cross, closing. If you don’t understand where you’re headed and what your strengths are —you lose every time. That’s us under Helton, Bohn and Folt.
        #AndNowDonte

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      2. Exactly right – remember I brought up once the article SI did on USC/Larry Smith/Rodney Peete covering the 1988 UCLA game – still valid regardless of the disaster that unfolded a week later courtesy of Lou Holts (and to Carra’s points – I have pointed to him as the epitome of what USC lacks…he embodied the Bear Bryant expression “He can take his and beat your’s, or take your’s and beat his”)…Smith talked about what he had to do to change the cultural rot that had set in at USC (and Bourbon can probably explain this better than anyone here), the attitude amongst everyone from administration to fans that all you had to do was wear a USC shirt and stick a V sign in the air and magically the other team would roll over…we’re back to that point.

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      3. 100% Correct, James. Every time I saw Clay’s blank face shouting out the words (which he STOLE from Ed Orgeron –who outcoached the shit outta Saban yesterday, btw) —“Fight for your brothers!” — it gave me a knot in my stomach. You can’t throw out empty talk to young players (who haven’t had their antenna clogged yet) and expect them to buy it. You (1) have to believe the words yourself and (2) understand what it takes —exactly what it takes, down to the last detail —to make the words come true.
        Helton and Donte don’t know the words —and they sure as shit don’t know how to implement the truth behind the words. There’s NOTHING behind their empty chatter. The players know it. Opposing coaches know it. Everybody who is watching (and that’s a smaller number every week) knows it.
        #EverybodyButCarol

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      5. Thank you (but you already did say it better than that, James).
        I wonder how Bohn feels this morning about not having the balls to quit when Carol told him to stick with Clay…& sit back & see how things turned out?

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  7. I may need some help here but this is the worst defense I’ve ever had to suffer through. Sure there were worse statistically, but even when the talent level was low, they played with heart. These imposters could give a rat’s ass; I also can’t wait for the new administration to kick these punks to D-III.

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  8. ASU’s problem on offense is that QB. He may have a fairly strong arm but he is woefully inaccurate. He was throwing behind and high. He would have had 7 or 8 more completions if his passes were on the money. Maybe it’s because of inactivity but Dart missed a lot of passes too. I don’t think SC will go to a bowl game this year. They must win 2 out of their next 3 games. They may or may not beat Cal( I wouldn’t take that game for granted) but I don’t think that they will not beat either UCLA or BYU.
    Cincinnati should not make the playoffs. Outside of beating a fairly good ND team, they haven’t played a lot of really good teams. Neither should Oregon be in the top 4. If they play Utah in the Pac-12 championship game, Utah will win. Oregon is barely surviving against weak Pac-12 teams. But they are rated #4 in the nation. That’s why the SC job is the best job available including LSU. They play in the Pac-12. So far the teams that Cincinnati has played has a record of 33-48. and most of those teams achieved that record against other weak teams. If we are going to put Cincinnati in the playoffs, why not UTSA?

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  10. If you want some comic relief, go to the University of Texas football message boards and read the comments about Sark. They are almost word for word what a lot of us were saying when he was at USC.

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    1. If that’s true, Sark should be on suicide watch…. unlike Donte he takes football seriously.
      [Like all USC’s heroes, they do share one strength, however. They are quotation machines]:
      #FightTheFuckOn
      #ItSucksToLose
      #BeSureToRememberToChangeYourClocks
      #[USCSureCanPick’Em]

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    3. Texas should not have given up on Tom Herman so easily. We should take a close look at him. He’s a much better coach than Sark.

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  11. These postgame speeches are just as bad as their in game coaching.
    Barrel said the offense “thats not who we are”. What is he smoking, thats exactly who we have been (inept) since you got here. Then he says “we didn’t really deviate from the plan”. Of course not when there is never much of a plan and you wouldn’t know how to adjust to deviate anyway.

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    1. He and his buddy helton love the phrase “that’s not who we are..” We don’t take the ball over center in the red zone because “that’s not who we are..” Who are we? Perhaps, he should talk to Marcus Allen, Charles White, Mike Garrett and tell them who we are.

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      1. Great fricking comment. Helton told us what we aren’t …but he never figured out what we are.
        And Donte has been left with a steaming mess and no clue as to how to clean it up.
        #”JanitorToAisle3,Please…GlassOnTheFloor”

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  12. Riddle me this: How many of you bonermeister rah-rah’s, other than Dear “Stinking” Pisley and his wing man ’67, had SUCC FB going 10 – 2 this season, even though it probably meant Helton wouldn’t be fired in 2021? C’mon, fess up, raise them hands.

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    1. Not me. At the start of the season they still had the Village Idiot as coach, which meant my personal prediction was 7-5. And honestly, I wanted it to be worse because it would be the only way to remove him as coach!!!

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      1. And not me – I have been picking 5-7 since they retained Helton and the last of Sark’s recruits left (whatever Bevo Lean Cuisine he may be adding to the mess that is Austin…or the Seven Win Stew in Seattle…he was no great shakes for us, but he did recruit better)…

        People thinking that USC will just automatically return to the summit are as deranged as those who defended Helton…USC football now has a zip code in Shi-LaLa-Land…only a total top to bottom (administration to field) housecleaning will fix this mess.

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  13. Student Body Right and Left were not merely plays. USC had blocking linemen and running backs the made these plays a direct challenge to USC”s opponents. USC’s sad defense and pop gun offense reflect years of neglect of the fundamentals of football – blocking and tackling!

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      2. ya’ they are a thing of the past…just not what we do…remember even Greece and Rome fell to the hordes…from within…so has sc…get rid of folt or sc will never rise from the ashes…no AD can get around her…sc hired a smiling /waving asshole to be prez

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  15. ASU 281 yards rushing … Todd Orlando should be nicknamed “The Matador” Ole! Ole! Mike Bohn is the architect of this mess … Bohner is the worst AD in CFB.

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    2. How many of you sorry ass UCLA fans? That haven’t won anything worth mentioning since the end of the last century. Would win this year? 6 games as in a half dozen jelly donuts for the chipper. If you thought more you are fantasizing. Look at the bright side for lease you guys are now half way there now to 6, with 3 wins At least you didn’t have to worry about the Ruins losing again with a bye. Left you with some sort of sanity on a Saturday for once.

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      1. Damn Toejamboogs, are you mad ’cause the mighty Methodist played loser Div. III type FB last night at AZ St., and you want to blame that ugly sh*t on me? For the record ‘boog’s, I didn’t see the game. I just followed Wolf’s Live Game Blog fan misery/outraged comments.

        BTW, with respect to your weak arithmetic, which I overlook, you being a sobbing, SUCC math Ph.D., but UCLA FB is currently 5 – 4, the inverse of bozo u. As such, the Bruins are actually 83.333333333333333….% to a six win, bowl game invitation season.

        #Cheers

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    3. Charles,
      Re Bohn: Now you’re seeing why they picked him over so many better candidates —he’s in charge of the managed decline.
      #”ItTakesAWeakling”
      —by Hillary Clinton

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      3. Or perhaps, then…

        “Let’s make the best of the situation…(sshhhhi)La(y)-la…you got me on my knees…(Carol and Donna) sshhhhi-LA(Y)-la…”

        USC football program fitting the scene in Goodfellas where that tune was used to such great effect while conducting a survey of Jimmy the Gent’s handiwork in eliminating all the potential witnesses…

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      5. Wow, I invoke Jimmy the Gent from fiction, but Owns is cracking down with the real thing!

        #Soundtrack: Metallica “Disappear” and U2’s “Mothers of the Disappeared”
        #Title: What happened? You know what happened!

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      6. Martin Scorsese sure gets into scenes like that, don’t he? Goodfellas, Taxi Driver, Casino —maybe it would have been better for him to have left his bedroom as a kid and gotten into a couple of street fights …and gotten some of the poison outta his system….
        #…InsteadOfSharingHisDaydreamsWithUsFor40PlusYears

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  16. Recipe for bad USC football:
    Secondary is a sieve…check.
    Arm tackling and not beating your blacks….check.
    Weak blitz packages, no real QB pressure…check.
    Flaccid playcalling/air-raid offense…check/check.
    2 QB rotation…check.
    Inability to run-block (at all)…check.
    Soft coaching, across the board…check.
    Serve on a platter at room temperature for an 0-for-November record.

    Hard to watch this brand of “football” is an understatement…

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    1. Sounds like Fred McMurray’s check list in Double Indemnity —culminating in “No obvious physical injuries, check —until last week with Drake London.”

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    2. Did you say something about Not beating blacks…….CANCEL THIS GUY! He’s an oppressor. Jail time for micro-aggressions

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  18. On the bright side, this site is free.

    I can’t imagine anyone paying for WeRSC.com unless they are complete nut jobs.

    Thanks Wolf for keeping this pro bono.

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    2. hey…I bought their 9 dollar 1 yr special , and they have some great analysis by former players…and xlnt basketball coverage too

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  19. Pressure on Bohn … better get this right
    If it’s Beinemy or another fraud like that
    SC football is over

    btw … how’s it going Suckisian lol Horn fans
    are realizing it’s not ever getting better with that idiot

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    2. how’bout Kiffin?
      he is doing pretty well as I thought he would after sc shamed itself allowing asshole haden to embarrass sc ,not kiffin ,by its actions…sc used class firing hellton who much worse influence than kiffin ever could be.
      Sark will get texas back on it feet…herman influence still there just like hellton still at sc.

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  22. Cal-We were thinking about you (I was doing other things but following the online updates)…barely a 100 yards…was hard to believe, but in the Pac this year (I compare it to 1983 or other years where the Pac has just been a trash heap with no rhyme or reason), to introduce a Jane’s Addiction allusion: “Nothing’s Shocking” Maybe your guys were saving it up for Dante’s Bunch…

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    1. If Cal has Chase Garbers, we lose. If he’s out, we score our last “W” of the season.
      [I read on another site that it would be so wonderful if we swept our last 3 games and went to a JANUARY BOWL …to give Drake London time to heal and score more TD’s for Troy. I …uh… don’t know where to start on that one]…..
      #Wowsie
      #IsItFromCarol?

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      1. MG
        The Drake has played his last game for SC. When I read what the orthopedic surgeon said about the injury, I cringed. 50 years ago except to my knee.

        #SeeYouzSaturday

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  23. This is 100% the fault of Harrell and air raid. Terrible schematics. Defense doesn’t get trained practicing against an air raid. Horrible QB play in on Harrell. No focus on blocking easy to predict the play calling. Poor receiver coaching. Harrell needed to be fired with Helton. Jinks could have made enough changes each week to improve the team

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      1. I think the players are a quarter inch from going on strike. In fact, they SHOULD strike. No court would allow USC to strip them of their scholarships for refusing to be part of this charade….. and a total, all out strike by USC players would force the BOT to take a good look at the shit show they helped create.
        #”Memo:Cal,UCLA&BYUGamesCancelledOnAccountOfNoPlayers”

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  24. well,does not look like I missed much over last 10 days
    since my carotid surgery…and bp problems
    now sc is going to play ucla and then BYU…and postponed cal
    missed how basketball is getting started…
    good to still be alive and if 4pm eastern is kickoff I get to watch chip kelly boys vs ours.

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    1. thank you…
      God and great Dr’s and nurses…my right eye actually went totally dark, they called it a stroke to my eye only ,my actual real one was 5 1/2 yrs ago…this time it was plaque broke lose in right carotid and went straight to my eye.
      It has no cure except self healing,it slowly came back, and my Dr.went in and opened it up,and cleaned it out,or it could easily do it again.

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  26. Desirable outcomes to real life situations – far more important than what we bandy about here…great to hear and hope its onward and upward going forward.

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