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Big Ten Wants 20 Members

A Big Ten Conference coach said this morning the conference conveyed it would like to expand to 20 teams and one of those teams to be Notre Dame.

That’s the pie-in-the-sky vision. We’ll see.

  • The Pac-12 Board of Directors met this morning and authorized the conference to explore all expansion options. Does that mean BYU and San Diego State are on the table?
  • If you thought before Thursday that Pac-12 commissioner George Kliavkoff was a genius (like all the media), this article offers another perspective.
  • I see a parallel between USC going to the Big Ten and Lincoln Riley going to USC. In both cases, one party was eager to move. So it happened. It’s nothing to do with powers of persuasion or foresight. It’s simply about moving for money/future success.
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86 thoughts on “Big Ten Wants 20 Members”

  1. “It’s nothing to do with powers of persuasion or foresight. It’s simply about moving for money/future success.”

    Who would have thought otherwise?

    #It’sAllTransactional

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    1. “Justgive me money– honey, that’s all I want

      Money ain’t everything, it’s true
      But what it don’t buy, I can’t use”

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      1. Jesus, Moses, Buddha, Socrates, Thomas More and Gandhi had a different ethic —- but who are we to say it’s better?
        #DevotionToTheDollarSeemsToBeCreatingAParadiseOnEarth

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      2. Thanks Larry Scott, crook is laughing all the way to the bank. How’s your PAC 12 network now? Soon to be non-existent. Way to go PAC 12 ADs and presidents. Too worried about the smaller universities in the your conference and then selling out to Nike for Oregon. Instead of taking care of the 2 universities in 2nd biggest media market in the country. All of you Ruined the PAC-12 conference getting conned by a grifter. How’s that 5.7 mil per year spent for nothing? Now. Lost so much money to the other conferences, it’s rediculous. No more conference of champions PAC 10/12. Way to run your own conference into the ground from a Network with major over head costs and over paying Larry Scott the commissioner to ruin it all for you and the rest.
        Now let’s see how this all plays out. If they are smart they will merge with the big-12 and make a super conference before the others do. Beat them to the punch. If not it’s over with for them.

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  2. With the addition with USC and UCLA that brings the total number of teams to 16 for the conference. With all of the dramatic changes that have occurred in the last year or so in college football, why is expanding to 20, including ND, “pie-in-the-sky”? Notre Dame would be a natural fit for this conference, adding 4 more teams, with a many “free agent” teams now, does not seem at all far fetched.

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  3. Yeah, I can see an expansion to 20 teams. Oregon, Washington, and Stanford (along with Notre Dame) need to land somewhere. (Poor Cal.)

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      2. Cal75 —Even if you wind up not having a dog in the fight I hope you never leave this site…
        #MaybeBecomeAPurdueFan[TheCalOfTheBigTen]

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  4. Talk is that Notre Dame would get a plus-share of revenue in Big Ten in the neighborhood of $100 million vs $17 million it gets from NBC. I’m sure USC will get a plus-share. Rutgers and Maryland currently getting partial-shares.

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    1. If USC doesn’t get a “one dollar better revenue share than Notre Dame” deal from the Big Ten, Bohn is not the man Mrs. Helton says he is….

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      1. $1 billion split 16 ways is $62.5 million. Notre Dame, Oregon, and Washington need to add another $200 million annually to a TV contract to be considered.

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    2. Notre Dame still in a snit after being blackballed by Michigan from the Big Ten precursor the Western Conference in the early 1900’s. Irish put your pride aside and jump on the bandwagon.

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      1. Hey Charles
        Speaking of TV contracts, do you have any ideas on how we will be able to watch USC football games under the new agreements. The Pac-12 network will be out since we won’t be in the Pac-12 anymore. Does anyone have any ideas about that?

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      2. I suppose home games and Big Ten games on Fox and Fox streaming. Maybe other streaming services will contract with Big Ten.

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      4. Parcel, one of the reasons we’ve kept Dish is the Pac-12 Network. We also have the Big-10 network, ACC and SEC.

        Don’t get the Lakers or Dodgers. But them’s the breaks!

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    1. The only way the PAC 12 survives if they merge with the big 12 and make thier own super conference before the big 10 and sec beat them to the Punch. Then you have 3 super conferences with 20 teams each. 60 teams have a shot for it all.

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      1. *their stupid phone or brain or both. Dang fell like Ed rite now. With my speling.

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    2. SoCal
      I didn’t know Dish had Pac-12 Network. I’m really not interested in the Dodgers or baseball as I once was and once the Lakers started promoting BLM, I stopped watching them and I have never watched them since so the Dodgers and Lakers are no problem for me.

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  6. Thank you, Charles. As always, you bring some salient points to the discussion. I wish the university would be open about this REAL motive rather than trying to sell their more altruistic motive such as it being a better experience for the college athletes.

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      1. Mrs. slo cal (aka the Shar Pei) told me, she has concerns regarding slo cal’s odd behavior. I asked her what he was doing that was odd. So, she sent me this illustration.

        #JoeIsLaughing

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      2. If i could give you more likes I would, thanks for showing that clip. So Cal. It’s all about the money. Not winning or tradition, anymore. Playoffs playoffs you’re talking about playoffs. Jim Mora Sr. Nevermind that’s another sound bite clip. Just had to throw that in there because it’s classic.

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    2. You want USC to say we are leaving the Pac because we can make5 times more income? In this politically correct society they cannot be truthful in all things public. In the end it will be a better experience for the players playing in famous stadiums against very good teams.

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      1. Carol: “Were doing this for one reason and one reason only — to keep our student athletes on the Path of Righteousness …”
        #ILoveThatPathSoFuckingMuch

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    4. Lol, you know it’s all about the money. When in doubt it’s still about the money. Untill someone shows you proof or proves to you otherwise. The roaming gnome troll Folt, just wants to put her lipstick on it. Like she does with everything at USC since she’s been there. Show me the money 🤑💰.

      UCLA goes from a 100$ million in the hole/red
      To 200$ million surplus think about that. With the 300$ million dollar, big 10 tv deal. It was a no brainer, for them to leave the PAC 12.

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  7. The Irish are hitched to a pair of television contracts. The deal with NBC runs through 2025 and draws approximately $15 million per year. ESPN’s contract with the ACC runs through 2036. That grant of rights deal includes language that if Irish choose to join a conference in football before 2036, they are contractually obligated to join the ACC.

    Notre Dame did join the ACC in football for one year in 2020 because of COVID-19, and it was a huge success. The Irish beat No. 1 Clemson 47-40 on Nov. 7, 2020 in NBC’s highest-rated ND game in 27 years before losing the ACC championship game to the Tigers 34-10. Both teams made the College Football Playoff. To this point, Notre Dame’s five-game arrangement with the ACC has worked.

    But now the SEC is roaming around, freshly stunned and looking to grab ACC schools like Miami, FSU, Clemson, North Carolina, Virginia. That would help them regain position on the Big 10 but also force Notre Dame into the Big 10 likely. The ACC would be left like the rest of the P12, looking for a home, and there’s not clarity of being able to stitch together any left out brands, as the Big 12 is looking to do now that it’s lost Texas and Oklahoma…

    Too much of this is ESPN in the ears of some college presidents and powerful people on campuses (including some likely corruption), and not a reasonable discussion of making X amount of conferences on whatever level, and playoff programs that deal with that, because ESPN wants instability and a lack of leverage among the conferences. Some of the politics that should be irrelevant but trump sense, with university officials that really hate the power dynamics of sports and sports supporting alum, or those that dislike universities with Christian affiliations, etc. has added to the lack of reasonable solutions being applied. Ironic since these are supposed to institutions of higher education.

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  8. B1G 10 (Western Pod)

    USC
    UCLA
    Oregon
    Stanford
    UW
    BYU

    This would work as it allows for 5 games in western time zones (6 when ND plays us in LA) The other 7-6 games will be home and away splits between the Coliseum, and either the mid-west or east coast). In other words, if we play it right, we would have go across country only 3-4 times a year.

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      1. We’d probably play more games in the Midwest (Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota) than on the east coast (MD, PSU, Rutgers).

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      2. It’s okay if we have to play Notre Dame, Michigan, Ohio State and Wisconsin back to back….IF… ALL games are played in the coliseum. We get to stay at home and they each get a few days vacation in the California sun….
        #Win/Win

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      3. Don’t worry. The schedule will have USC playing Minnesota and Wisconsin away at the end of November every year! No need to return home. Just relax in Green Bay!

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  9. I don’t blame George Kliavkoff. I think he came on the scene too late to make a difference. I blame the former sports socialist that we had as commissioner……Larry Scott. If the Pac-12 falls apart, it’s because of him. He was the worst commission we ever had and also probably the highest paid in the country. Sort of like our AD’s Swann and Haden…..the worst AD’s in the country and the highest paid. When once asked what Scotts goal for the Pac-12 was, he said “equity”. Well he accomplished his goal. The teams in the Pac-12 were pretty much equal……equally bad. But that’s always the goal of socialism…..equity…….but since you can never bring the people on the low end up to the people on the high end, you must bring to people on the high end down to the low end. Everyone should have the same. It doesn’t matter if one guy was on welfare his whole life and the other guy worked 7 days a week and 12 hours a day. They still should have the same. The constitution never guarantees equity. It promises “life, liberty and the PURSUIT of happiness”. You should have an equal chance to work hard for good things but nothing is promised. If the Pac-12 falls apart I blame Larry Scott.

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      1. So are all the democrats laughing at americans who believe them when they say
        1) A man can have a baby
        2) you can be a boy today and a girl tomorrow
        3) there are not 2 genders but 50-100
        4) Too much crime in your city….no problem….just defund the police
        5) another solution to crime is to set up a gun free zone. Make the whole country a gun free zone and then your country will be relatively crime free. If they can’t use guns in an area, there will be no massacres.
        6) Another way to deal with crime in your area is to disarm law abiding citizens
        7) replace the police with social workers who will give the thugs a big hug.
        8) Is your country going bankrupt?…..spend your way out of debt
        9) shut down all our energy production so we can go back to begging our enemies for oil
        10) believe the lie that the world is going to end in 10 years because of climate change
        11) believe the lie that in 10 years all the coastal cities in america will be underwater
        12) believe the lie that our borders are closed and there are no cartel members, gang bangers, sex trafficking and people with diseases coming across the borders
        I could go on and on. The libs are rolling on the floor laughing at how stupid most americans are.

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      2. Parcel, you left out the global ramifications of installing a leader that exudes nothing but weakness. The bullies of the world were salivating at the thought of a corrupt, cowardly, frail old guy being installed. It’s cost lives in Afghnistan, Ukraine and soon in Taiwan.

        But they are in serious denial about all of it. They want us all to believe that it’s just a coincidence that Putin waited until Dementia Man was in office before invading.

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      3. You senile limp-dick endurance troll, the US is a member of NATO…(you comprehend, doubt it)… therefore, we are obligated to adhere to the “rules of engagement” as prescribed in the NATO agreements….(you need to get educated, I can’t do it for you)…..

        How convenient, to sidestep relevant context to further promote your right-wing agenda. You can’t see the forest for the trees, PATHETIC!

        Since you’re a self-proclaimed stable genius, In hindsight, what should Biden/US have been doing, prior to Putin’s Ukraine invasion, to prevent the so-called “deaths Biden is responsible for”?

        As usual(18th time), you’ll continue to deflect from answering my question(s), because you lack the mental capacity to argue the affirmative. Trump said, “I love the uneducated”, feel privileged!

        WAIT FOR IT! …..3..2..1! Another lame-ass retort from you on the way, with absolutely no facts to support it!….. Hit me with it!

        #SIMPLETON!

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    2. I often use that phrase when discussing depression with someone. I ask “How did you do that? (bringing on the depressed state). Happiness is not a given; it sometimes takes work; hence, the pursuit.

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      1. As a lawyer, you know that the constitution doesn’t guarantee happines. It guarantees the PURSUIT of happiness.

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      3. Hey Gabby
        We’re simpletons???? You need to re-read the 12 things I posted above(much of which you probably believe….being a left wing whacko) before you call others simpletons. Oh I forgot one….
        13) We need to get rid of all cows because they keep farting and putting methane into the atmosphere which will destroy the planet in 10-12 years.
        You don’t believe me?….just ask AOC. In fact, just ask Bill Gates. He said that soon 100% of americans will cease to eat meat. We will all eat some kind of a meat substitute. He said “don’t worry….you’ll get used to it”. That’s a direct quote from Bill Gates. Yes….I agree…..you left wing whacko’s are the little Einsteins of the world and the other 99% of us are simpletons. After all, we must stop those cows from passing gas. The survival of the world is at stake.

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      4. hey parcel…..all bantering aside, you know I love you like a step-brother, don’t forget!

        Speaking of “wackos” … We must not forget the Jewish space lasers, microchip vaccines, and the Dems who eat babies…(enough said)

        #Hypocrite!

        PS… Since you’re an expert on “cow farts”, which I have zero experience with, please describe the sound and aroma to our readers

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      5. Parcel, don’t even bother with that fool.

        P.S. If we had to get rid of cows, that would include his wife. Who else would put up with his stupidity but someone who was 150 lbs or more, knowing she couldn’t do any better. Mooooo!!!!

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      6. Please, review our agreement, which states; If and when, I need any shit out of you I’ll squeeze your head.

        #Senile!

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    3. Larry Scott is and was the highest paid conference commissioner in history of college sports. Paid more than 3x higher than the next highest in history. In my opinion he was the worst…not scaled to his pay… the worst ever not handy capped. He actually is a used car sales man. One of the reasons he resisted the obvious move of partnering the network with ESPN or Fox (which would have set the revenue intake 5x higher than what it turned out to be, all while having a 0 overhead cost. (Well the overhead they had was massive) The reason he did it was to tell everyone constantly he was not just the commissioner but also the head of the network. He(with out any data to back up his stance to not take an ESPN or fox deal) basically gambled on being different than the other conferences. Then he sold the move as brilliant and ground breaking. He was a used car salesmen selling a wing and a prayer. 7+mil a year, for a wing and a prayer management style. People, I don’t blame Larry Scott even though he is a narsasistic sociopath, knew he would fail but prayed he would hit the lottery. I blame the conference presidents who bought it hook line and sinker (with a salesmen slinging shit in his job interview about tech dollars and social consciousness) then turning him loose with no checks and balances and no oversight. And don’t get me started on his interest free loan for his mansion from the conference in which he never made a payment and I believe as part of his severance package, i think he keeps the house and walks from the loan “Scott free” not having made a single payment (sounds like Carol’s deal in Santa Monica. What is up with how the schools in this conference and the conference board does business. No one has the first sense of how to do business. They see dollars but don’t know how to balance making bonafide decisions or just throwing money at a problem with no plan. Sounds like the LA city council…Lynn Swann…LA county board of directors… Clay Helton…. See a theme developing here? All inept managers.

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  11. No to the “Western Pod”. I’d be OK with Washington and Oregon because it would help USC scheduling-wise. Let’s not water down this Big Ten thing.

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    1. B1G already said they want 20 teams. The more on the west coast, the less we have to use our Frequent Flyer points.

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      1. Agree theoretically. Supposedly also considering North Carolina, Clemson, and Miami. So not necessarily all West Coast.

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      3. All Big Ten schools “AAU” with exception of Nebraska. USC, UCLA, Oregon, Washington AAU. North Carolina AAU. BYU, Clemson, Miami not AAU. Going by memory.

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  12. John McKay on 1972 victory over Stanford per NY Times: “”I’d like to have won by 2,000 points,” McKay said as he expressed disappointment with his players’ performance, dislike for the opponent and the officials, and a desire for heavy‐handed revenge.”

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  14. FUCLA, I remember watching UCLA beat Ohio State in Columbus about 1980 with Safety Kenny Easley having a big game. Much more interesting than Pac12 now. Awesome Saturday afternoon national game. You’re going to get more of that now.

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      2. FUCLA 0-2 in the Rose Bowl since 1994. That they’re down so much, doesn’t cost me anything to throw them a bone.

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      4. …as in every day between now and November 19th?
        #”TheyWannaRunUpScore?”…..
        #…..”Let’sShow’EmWhatDestructionReallyLooksLike!”

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  15. I support Washington because I’ve been to a USC game up there (2016) and Don James was a great coach. Oregon not so much … but USC needs a couple of old school Pac12 opponents in the Big Ten. To hell with the rest of them.

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  16. Time to start giving me the credit I deserve for changing this irrelevant badly run football program, into a program on the rise. Best AD ever!

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    1. “Stanford will become a much more appealing option than it is at this moment because the Cardinal represent another annual Notre Dame opponent that the Irish would like to continue playing.

      If you put yourself inside the heads of snotty Big Ten presidents and chancellors, Stanford just has a different aura about it institutionally than Oregon and Washington. All higher education types want to be associated with Stanford. While the football and men’s basketball teams are down currently, the Big Ten would be able to benefit from Stanford’s excellence across all sports.

      It’s a jump to say that adding Stanford brings the Big Ten the Bay Area TV market in full, but being located in a highly populated region also can’t hurt its case.

      The Cardinal would be a more palatable West Coast partner for USC and UCLA than the Ducks and Huskies. Both L.A. schools are sick of Oregon with its Nike flash coming into Southern California and stealing top talent, and USC’s and UCLA’s move to the Big Ten has wounded the Ducks.”

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    1. The irony is USC president Carol Folt and UCLA chancellor Gene Block, who both played a role in the Pac-12’s demise (letting Larry Scott run wild) and oversaw their own football programs’ struggles, now get to act like visionaries because they depart for a bigger conference. They deserve no credit and left behind a mess for the remainder of the Pac-12.

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      1. I would be thinking of heading out the 4th floor window head first if I were a major investor in the Pac 12 Network…

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      2. John Canzano: “… the role USC’s Carol Folt played in the Trojans’ move to the Big Ten. Per multiple conference sources, Folt assured her fellow Pac-12 chancellors and presidents and even Kliavkoff himself that USC was committed to the conference — until it wasn’t.

        Said the conference athletic director: “The destruction of the Pac-12, if that now happens, is on Carol Folt.”

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  21. Golf: Lazy Swan Golf and Country Club …….when I saw this heading in an article I really thought they were referring to our esteem ex-ad

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  24. One guy quotes the Declaration of Independence and incorrectly refers the statement to the Constitution. . .another cries about a duly elected official who can be replaced in less than four years, unlike the last former president who insists on lying about losing. . .The incompetence of the university leadership is truly spectacular. Going into a relationship before establishing your worth will destroy USC and UCLA. The Big10 was dying. Ohio State doesn’t have the population talent to keep up with the southern teams or the L. A. teams, why give up that advantage?

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  25. Like Joe repeating the same stories over & over again,Dumbass forgot he already posted that lame cartoon above and didn’t get any laughs.

    It was just as lame the second time around. Sad.

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