USC Morning Buzz: Does Clay Helton Need To Win Pac-12 To Save Job?

One school of thought is Clay Helton could save his job with 8 or 9 victories this season, especially when Lynn Swann was athletic director.

However, two people in the athletic dept. tell me they now believe unless USC wins the Pac-12, Helton will be replaced. They believe USC president Carol Folt will make change unless the team does so mething special like go to the Rose Bowl.

I believe this view is spurred by two factors: People at Heritage Hall and the McKay Center see the disorganization under Helton and believe Folt’s gotten wind of the football program’s weaknesses.

They also are more inclined to see a change made based on Folt’s firing of Swann.

Is it wishful thinking? Maybe. But I’ve heard this from people who don’t interact with each other so it’s not like only the same people are talking about it.

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35 thoughts on “USC Morning Buzz: Does Clay Helton Need To Win Pac-12 To Save Job?

  1. Gomer’s done, he knows it, or should, the big question is whether USC gets the next hire right, it could be Urban Meyer it could also be Hue Jackson

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    1. Buddha:

      Yes. And your way of assessing it…being a Trojan fan now is like being in the Chronicles of Riddick, with that range of possibilities…have to hope that all those empty seats/bottom line balance sheet connects the dots for the powers that be…but we won’t know until (it’s still preposterous that he was kept after last year…so who knows…).

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      1. @ James
        Swann was more interested in autograph shows and golf, he was hired because Wayne Hughes wanted him to get the job, and that kind of shit has to stop. The damage Swann did to just about every sport at USC will take 3-5 years to fix, maybe more.

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      2. Buddha:
        Agreed – the incestous and corrupt nonsense has become the chickens that have come home to roost…I’ve joked with MG a great bit about how this can be reasonably compared to historical events (eg the intermediate periods in Egypt, the late 2nd century BC or early 3rd century AD Roman period)…but it’s not funny to think about how it impacts the current athletes and others not in decision-making positions…it’s one of those eternally puzzling questions how anyone, no matter how dense, can’t look at something as simple as W-L and see that this has been a failure (and then do a cursory examination of how it started and conclude that change is in order)…

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    2. Hue would be the perfect Politically Correct Affirmative Action hire like the ruins made when they picked Karl Dorrell over the infinitely more qualified Mike Riley.

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  2. Clay is toast. To any casual observer, he lacks all that is required to be a head coach of a major college program:
    1. Poor judge of talent.
    2.Plays favorites.
    3. Hires cronies rather than able assistants.
    4. Lacks critical thinking skills in consequential moments of game.
    5. Continually mouths inconsequential bullshit regarding future prospects of current team.
    6. Breathes exclusively from his mouth.
    I could go on and on. the guy is in the deep end of the pool totally submerged in 20 feet of water with a lead weight tied to his feet. He should be put out of his misery ASAP to partially restore faith in Trojan football and to try restore the next recruiting class. The longer the administration goes in putting off his dismissal, the deeper the hole we have to crawl out of. Please Carol Folt, show some balls and remove this guy now.

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  3. An intelligent athletic director would look at the last 4 years of Clay Helton’s tenure, not what he does this season, he’s already showed you who he is. And since Sam Darnold left, he has literally taken the program backwards. The LA Times ran an article about how UCLA, and USC don’t have the ability to land the local 4&5 star talent anymore, which is another reason why a change in leadership is necessary. The Trojans are the biggest brand on the west coast, but you haven’t heard a peep out of them from a national perspective, since Pete Carroll left.

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      1. Folt’s decision is gonna get harder to make when, in a week and a half, Helton goes into South Bend and beats Notre Dame. But —guess what?
        She STILL has to pull the trigger on Helton. USC football success shouldn’t be measured by an occasional surprise win —-at least recruits don’t seem to think so. Folt needs to acknowledge how hard Helton has worked and how much the university appreciates his contribution —and announce Meyer’s January 1st starting date ASAP if she wants to save the program.

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      2. I don’t see a win in South Bend…more likely something like the last trip (and I hope for Slovis’ sake that he can sit that one out – if he’s going to become as good as some believe he can, he has to be healthy), but you’ve been right often as I have…as someone posted yesterday, the dream scenario is for Urban to be hired regardless (which is why the sooner an announcement the better!), and the team to ball out the rest of the season…

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      3. James —I just think the stars are lined up right for a USC victory in South Bend —we’ll be healthy and motivated. I’m not as optimistic about Helton’s removal. I can almost hear all the way from Hawaii a conversation between Folt and Helton that goes like this:
        Folt: The way things are, you need to win the Pac 12 to come back.
        Helton: The really Big thing is to win the Pac 12 South. That’s what the fans crave.
        Folt: Okay. Pac 12 South.
        Helton: And with all our QB injuries, maybe just coming close to winning the South should be enough.
        Folt: What’s “coming close” mean?
        Helton: Well, actually —after the Utah game, we’re already there.

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  4. Alums, former football players and fans are simply fed up.

    Of all the things a HC does, Helton does none of them”well” except for having a pleasant demeanor. Game day coaching, recruiting, hiring assistants, inspiring confidence have all been lacking under this HC.

    People simply want to move on and away from “Faith, Family, Football” and “Winning The Right Way” B.S. that comes out of Helton and Heritage Hall’s mouths.

    The blogger should head over to Bovard because the word is that President Folt has seen a staggering amount of letter, e-mails and calls about Swann and Helton. She can’t ignore the disgust from the fanbase. Swann was shown the door and Helton is next especially if he keeps losing winnable games. ASU and Cal were supposed to be “W’s” but I’m not so sure SC beats those teams with how they’ve played thus far.

    #HeltonIsToast

    #DelRio2020

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      1. Yes – he might not be ideal or what we should be going for, but I’ve mentioned here before that 1) under him the team will play physical; and 2) I wouldn’t be too quick to sell short a coach who achieved 12 win seasons with two different NFL franchises (the list of coaches who have done so is rather short)…just like Herm at ASU, and proved by how quickly Saban retreated to the college ranks, successfully coaching in the NFL is infinitely harder than in the college ranks…we could do far worse…

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      2. Del Rio has been working hard behind the scenes to shake hands and be friendly to as many folks as possible in anticipation of the HC job opening up. It’s part of the reason he took an analyst job with ESPN instead of an NFL job. (And with him not with an NFL team, that means there will be no contract buyout to go with his interest in the USC job).

        Of all the candidates fans put forth, no one wants the job more than Del Rio. Guy is campaigning hard.

        #IfDelRioWasAPolitician,HeWouldHaveKissedSomeBabies,Too

        #DelRio2020

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      3. Del Rio would have physical teams, I think he would also hire competent assistants. Del Rio is the safe pick, we’ll see if SC wants safe or a home run. To be honest, I would have no issues with Del Rio being hired but I’d rather have Meyer.

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      4. marvienna —You’ve constantly alluded to solid evidence that Del Rio REALLY wants the job. That’s nice. Helton REALLY wanted the job too. [And he DOES kiss babies….and players]. How much a guy covets the job shouldn’t be the criterion for hiring him….
        #…DelRio’sVeryGoodButWeCanDoBetter….

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    1. Michael, yes, desire for the job shouldn’t be the only criterion.

      But, Del Rio’s desire should be seen with how he presents himself. If he really wants the job, then it is not out of the realm of possibility that he walks in and aces the interview. In all likelihood, he’s preparing as much as possible and building a base of support among donors and administrators who would support him as HC. All of that comes from someone “wanting” the job.

      Other guys might have to be sold on coming to USC by USC (not to mention trying to create leverage for more money by playing the game that they could take or leave the USC job). It’s a different dynamic if you have to woo a guy to come to Los Angeles as opposed to having a HC actively trying to sell himself for the job like Del Rio is doing.

      #PeteCarrollGotTheJobBecauseOfAnEpicInterviewHeGaveMikeGarrett

      #DelRio2020

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      1. Very similar to a lot of the discussions that occurred around the time that Haden decided to pick Sark over Coach O as I recall…MG you make a great point that desire for the job alone isn’t enough…but if the desire is wed to some demonstrated ability (and in JDR’s case there is a significantly greater resume to examine than in Coach O’s case at that time…less and less the case each week this season as the Geauxjans challenge the establish order down there, but that ship has sailed for our purposes, and to Buddha’s original point, and as much of an admirer of Coach O as I and many others are, I still think USC should set is sights, for the first time since Howard Jones, on the top shelf stuff)…

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      2. James —IF Meyer REALLY is interested, we’d be idiots not to grab him. Meyer vs. Saban in the 2020 opener!
        #NowTHATShouldPutUSCBackOnTheMap!

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      3. MG
        Have said it before but will reiterate – if Meyer would have been named the coach Sunday morning, Kelly would be soiling himself over next weekend’s game, and Saban would be on the phone begging out of the opener next year…as said yesterday, I can just envision him as a Grant-like figure, smoking a cigar, yelling at his defensive coordinator “I don’t care what they’re going to do – tell me what we’re going to do to them!”

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      4. Beautifully put, my friend [After that I’m gonna be EXTRA disappointed if it’s not Saban]….
        #CouldWeBeThatStupid..?
        #[Don’tAnswerThat]

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    2. Mr. Marv
      I wouldn’t be so sure that ASU and CAL are supposed to be “W’s” in the SC column.

      ASU and CAL may have something to say about that. Herm Edwards and Justin Wilcox are able to figure SC out. SC is down to bare bones at QB. CAL has a 4* ruins reject & a very good backup with 2yrs successful JC experience at QB.

      SC seems afraid to run & with the QB situation at present…well…. You just never know.

      #PostingForAFriend👿

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      1. ’75
        I’ve been agreement with that all season…in re-reading I think Marv is too…
        ASU and your Bears are not going to be gimmes this year…far from it…I wouldn’t be surprised if each doesn’t beat USC and finish ahead of in the standings…
        Suspect Herm and Wilcox would finish with far more favorable results than Clay & Co. if the roles were reversed…my argument for JDR goes equally for Herm – he coached two different NFL franchises to the playoffs…that is not to be lightly discounted…

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      2. A lot of people who weren’t truly familiar with who Herm Edwards is as a person mocked Arizona State for taking a chance on him. Herm is the real deal. He LOVES competition. He believes in his players —but, more importantly, his players believe in him (and he believes in himself). I heard him say in an interview “If I didn’t have a lot of confidence I wouldn’t take this —but I do have a lot of confidence –I KNOW what I can do.” Herm is everything Helton isn’t —and if USC Administration is [again] too scared to get a man who won’t play the fool for ANYBODY they deserve what they get….
        #…ButTheFans&ThePlayersDon’t…

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    1. Yes —but it’s a little more complicated than that. The new A. D. will be somebody the Search Committee has already gotten word that Folt, based on her conversations with all the money people that matter, wants.
      And the new A. D. will reach out to the coach that all the money people who matter want. So, in the end, yes, the new A.D. will “make the decision.”

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  5. As soon as they hire a new AD Gomer is gone…The celebration is going to be like the scene in the Wizard of OZ. Ding Dong the Witch is ______!

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    1. Unless the flying monkeys get the broomstick back. At which time the witch will resurrected. At least one coach has already been fired. The hot seat under Helton would cook a moose crossing a stream. When Helton is done a fork will not go in. They will carve him up and sell him as Jerky at the football games. People will line up to buy Jerk Jerky.

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