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Did Pat Haden’s Decision Start Departure From Pac-12?

You could write a book on the legacy of Pat Haden even though he was only athletic director for 5.5 years.

The Pac-12 is talking about having an unequal revenue-sharing plan for its new TV deal. That would mean Oregon would get more money than everyone else and maybe Washington too.

Let’s remember USC and UCLA had that plan until Haden gave it up when the Pac-10 added Utah and Colorado. Before, USC got eight times more money than Washington State.

But everyone got 12 equal shares after the conference unanimously went to an equal-share plan.

Some background: Haden and UCLA A.D. Dan Guerrero initially tried to block the equal-revenue plan. Haden hinted USC might leave the Pac-12 but Stanford A.D. Bob Bowlsby told Haden everyone knew that it would not happen.

Haden and Guerrero changed their mind when each school was promised a $2 million premium in 2012-13 and the A.D.’s voted 12-0 to share revenue equally.

Would USC and UCLA have left the Pac-12 if they were still getting bigger shares of the TV revenue today? Did Haden goof by agreeing to this move? A lot of people still complain to me about that decision.

  • As a side note, should George Kliavkoff have offered it to USC and UCLA (and Oregon) last year?
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66 thoughts on “Did Pat Haden’s Decision Start Departure From Pac-12?”

    1. Big Ten has equal revenue sharing with exception of Rutgers and Maryland. USC’s “Q-rating” would be in the neighborhood of Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State and higher than the rest. Everyone loves to promote the idea of “fairness.”

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  2. If USC was getting $60 million annually on the last TV contract (other schools average $31.6 mil), would they have left!? Much less likely.

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    3. Not sure, when you are Cinderella and your ugly, dumb stepsisters continue to treat you badly, it’s good to find a prince charming. Those clowns, who were feeding off of SC”s celebrity, never stood by them when SC received the draconian sanctions……..of course, they saw it as a time to pass SC. I’m so happy to leave these ingrates.

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      1. AND THE SAME THING HAPPENED IN THE FIFTIES CARRA
        THAT LED TO THE FORMATION OF THE FIVE TEAM AAWU CONFERENCE

        ATHLETIC ASSOCIATION OF WESTERN UNIVERSITIES

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      1. Criteria for Rhodes’ scholar includes “truth, courage, devotion to duty, sympathy for the weak, etc.” It appears Oxford’s screening committee didn’t do their due diligence.

        I’m still 100% &^% mad about the way Haden failed to negotiate the clear harmful sanctions. I’m not too crazy about his failure with the Coliseum or him paying his relatives for sitting on a committee that did nothing.

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      3. @CarraRand: Since the criteria for Rhodes’ scholar includes “sympathy for the weak”, at least this explains his support of Clay Helton.

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      1. Pat’s main virtue [after, to be fair, a stellar stint as USC’s QB] was walking around campus with a starry-eyed “40 Year Old Virgin” smile as things were turning to shit all around him…..

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      2. Spot on Carra Rand. And the committee or trust that Haden and his relatives administered and bilked to the tune of over a million annually was for a very worthy cause. It was suppose to give scholarship money to needy and underprivileged USC students. What does that say about Haden’s character.

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  5. To turn a phrase on its head, “It is the destination, not the journey that counts”– In other words, it took a skewed route for SC to get into the Big-10. But here/there they are.

    So to coin another phrase, the Trojans can now “play the hand they were dealt”

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  6. I hated Bill Russell for what he did to the Lakers. 6 times during the 1960s he and Bob Cousy, K.C. Jones and others beat the Lakers. The 1969 finals was the last one of the series and one of the most frustrating ones as the Lake came from 15 points behind in the 4th quarter of the 7th game held in Los Angeles, but could not quite catch the Celtics.

    Or Frank Selvey’s shot that would have won the title in the early 60s and possibly turned the remaining 60s around, but it rimmed out, and the Celt won another one.

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      1. MG: What is your best prediction on Fauci? Money Pox or an adverse reaction to the tenth itineration of the Covid vaccine. Mask suffocation? Regardless, it will likely be counted as a Covid death.

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      4. Plow Horse — I’ve had several dreams wherein Fauci dies while giving a speech by Tommy Trojan. Tommy momentarily tips in a strong wind driving his sword thru Fauci’s heart before miraculously righting himself…
        #Disney’sCinderella:”IfYouDreamSomethingOftenEnough…
        #…ItsSureToComeTrue”…..

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    2. In that game 7 is when Butch van Breda Kolff, The Lakers head coach had Wilt The stilt Chamberlain on the bench for the last 5 min of the game because he got injured earlier and said we can win it without him.

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    1. America is already in tatters —so that should just about do it.
      [All the gullibles that So Cal complains about will vote for the same crazy talk all over again if it comes out of a new mouth]….

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      1. All the gullibles?! Your dumbass buddy tries to act as if it’s only me who sees them as such.

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      1. ..And that’s why Tom IMMEDIATELY got attacked on ALL television networks as being “unhinged.”
        #AnybodyWhoFormulatesOpinionsBasedOnT.V.IsGonnaGetScrewed

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      2. I fucking hate it when my hashtags wind up with one fucking letter hanging all by itself!
        #IBlameCarolForThis!

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      4. I can’t hear the volume, but not about Tom Cruise … altering “digital likenesses.“ don’t know why 60 minutes is focusing on Cruise other than cheap headlines.

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  8. A recurring theme of my posting over the years here (at IUSCSW)……

    Pardon me, but football isn’t liberal.

    The best guy plays. We don’t change the rules to “even the playing field.”
    Practice isn’t “fun.” Practice sucks. At the end of the week you play in the game and beat the hell out of the other guy. All the fun for the week.
    Got to work when you’re hurt. No unemployment benefits for footballers
    The bigger guy usually beats the hell out of a smaller guy.
    Not liberal.

    The West Coast is a bastion of liberalism–AND GOT A LOT OF THE PRINCIPLES RIGHT. Perhaps the West Coast got some of the principles wrong?

    When I look at the predominance of liberal (and often low performing) universities in the Pac 12 (WSU, UO, OSU, Cal, UCLA, UC Boulder, UA tucson), you could see where football programs would ultimately be eviscerated and the conference would lose credibility. In the SEC, the Big 10 (+6), and the ACC, more moderate politics prevail. The fanbase is more loyal to the schools.

    I’m fine with the Pac 10 becoming a Women’s sport, track and field/Cross Country, Tennis, Golf dominated conference. Vaya con Dios, amigas.

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    1. You are right about football not bieng liberal. But it’s more than a little scary that our military is headed there.

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  9. NIL idea, no substitute for skill and ability, but USC players should start adopting single-name names. Like the Brazilian soccer players Cacau, Renaldo, Pele et al. Guessing the Anglo names don’t work as well.

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  10. 1. The equal revenue deal was based on USC and UCLA guaranteed a minimum distribution until a certain threshold was reached. Because that threshold was met basically from the start of the new media rights deal, the premium distribution to the LA schools was never in play. People forget that at the time it was negotiated, the last media rights deal looked good and offered USC and UCLA a substantial increase even without the unequal distribution that they were accustomed to under the Pac-10. With the prospect of additional windfall from the Pac-12 Networks, all looked good. Of course once the B1G Ten renegotiated their media rights (and other conferences as well) and the complete disaster that the Pac-12 Networks became, the excellent media rights deal of 2012 became an albatross that ultimately precipitated the departure of the LA schools from the conference.

    2. Oregon is NOT a premium brand! Don’t let Uncle Phil con you into believing otherwise!

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      1. Ratings are good because a lot of Middle School Girls tune in just to see what New Outfit and Accessories they are wearing that week.

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      1. Nope. But it takes a lot more than one season to both make or destroy a brand. Recent success is always important, but elite history in multiple eras overcomes considerable mediocrity in other times. USC built the brand during various times over the last 100 years. Oregon has built the program over the last 25-30 years, but hasn’t reset the elite bar.

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      3. What amuses me, Phyt, is SUCLA fans using one standard for USC football and another for SUCLA basketball.

        They still like to consider themselves a basketball powerhouse, when their last NC was almost 30 years ago. In fact, that one is the only one in nearly 50 years!!!

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    1. 60 Minutes doesn’t want to get blamed if the CCP does something rash in the coming weeks [even though they’ve played along for the last decade]…..

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    2. Great story this morning on CBS Sunday Morning about Trojan, James Hong, who Scott recently featured after he got his star on the walk of fame. If you didn’t catch it, pull it up online.

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  13. Wow! Big Story coming outta D. C. —Hunter Biden admitted to forging the paintings he’s been selling at a half million a crack. “The truth is I’ve just been copying the finger paintings left by the 11 year olds I hire for what I like to refer to as film work.”

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    1. How dare you imply that they are paying for anything other than Hunter’s incredible talent!

      You’re going to make someone cry, with the implication that the Biden family is as corrupt as they come.

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    2. MG: Don’t mention Hunter Biden and crack in the same sentence. It is Russian disinformation. If you don’t believe me I can provide a statement signed by 50 high ranking US intelligent personnel including Clapper and Brennan. Also, stay away from Hunter Biden and “film work” in the same sentence. Of course, don’t mention “big guy” or 10 percent under any circumstances. If you can do this, you have a future in investigative journalism at the Times, Washington Post, MSNBC, CNN, ect.

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      1. Masterpiece, Plow Horse. It’s ALMOST beyond comprehension when you take a few seconds to appreciate the amount of bullshit Biden voters are willing to swallow …..
        #”AllWarsComeToTheEndWeExperiencedInAfghanistan”…
        —Joe Biden
        #Yeah,Right….
        #…WhereWeSacraficeOurOwnTroops&Airports&Weapons…
        #…SoThatOurEnmeiesCanLaughAtUs..

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    4. Hunter Biden is a filthy whore monger who pays for Russian p*ssy. Brandon and Dr Biden dad and mom of the year. As Hillary would say a “irredeemable deplorable.”

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  14. Larry Scott, Lynn Swann, Pat Haden, Clay Helton, Varsity Blues and George Tyndall. USC surviving this is the equivalent of someone surviving a Stroke, Cancer, Heart Attack, Divorce, Bankruptcy and a kick in the nuts with a Steel Toe Boot. The What Doesn’t Kill You Makes You Stronger” theory appears to be true.

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  15. Haden poopooed going independent ala Notre Dame. Being independent teams don’t share anything and can schedule anyone they want. It would have been lucrative. All in the past. USC got screwed by the PAC and now they are saying screw you PAC.

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    1. Claiming we could be like ND is a bit presumptuous. They have fans throughout the country who have no affiliation with the school, but are Irish or Catholic. As much as many may not like it, the Dallas Cowboys are America’s team and for people who don’t have ties to a collegiate football team, ND is a good team to latch onto.

      That being said, now that we know more of the details, I’m starting to feel a LITTLE better about this move. F*** Larry Scott, who is really responsible for it.

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