As Expected, USC Hires Ex-Cincy Strength Coach

I wrote earlier in the week USC would hire Notre Dame assistant director of football strength and conditioning coach Robert Stiner if it made an acceptable offer.

That offer came through and the hire became official today.

Stiner’s official title at USC is Director of Football Sports Performance.

I said in the headline he was a former Cincinnati assistant strength coach because that is the relevant information. He worked with Coach Bohn there and that’s what got him hired.

Now Graham Harrell needs to hire an offensive line coach and we can read lots of offseason stories on how USC “fixed” its problems.

45 thoughts on “As Expected, USC Hires Ex-Cincy Strength Coach

  1. The last couple of years, Tom Herman at Texas fired a bunch of assistants, including Orlando. It became obvious the problem was Tom and now he is gone.

    The difference here is that Helton is apparently untouchable because Folt loves him. So they just keep hiring and firing more assistants, even though it is obvious the problem is Clay.

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    1. It’s not strictly accurate to say Folt ‘loves’ Helton 67……
      [unless we say Pelosi ‘loves’ her loyal & devoted pool boy]…..
      #[ThereCouldBeSomeGoodMaterialHereForOurJackassTroll]..

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      1. Go fuck yourself w/ Trump along to watch. You must have been a shit ass Lawyer with your kind of thinking. Whose the next
        President for 4 YEARS loser? Stop acting like you know Trojan
        football and please disappear in some sinkhole.

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    2. Wishful thinking or maybe I see the plan:
      Fire everyone around Helton until only he is left. He still serves one purpose, parents seem to like him and recruits don’t mind him knowing that he isn’t going to directly coach them. The staff is set ( aside from Drevno, the staff is solid), now just wait out his contract. I know, I know, my nine year old could manage the game better, but Helton would really just be a PR- figurehead then.

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      1. The problem with waiting to let Clay’s contract run out is that the program would be further damaged, making it harder to rebuild it when a coaching change does occur. Plus, athletic revenue and fan interest is depressed with a poorly performing program.

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      2. I hear you, 67- damaging the program would make it harder to rebuild. However, the staff has put together an excellent recruiting class, added some nice transfers, and even uncovered a few gems (Tuli Tulipioloti FR All America)). The cupboard won’t be bare for Donte Williams when he is promoted and Hackett 2.0 is let go.

        Thank, MG- he works hard at piano.

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      3. Arturo, Problem is that Clay is Clay. We get great recruits, but every year, Clay turns the program into a hash, where USC can barely beat Pac-12 teams, and get crushed by teams outside of the Pac-12, even non-elite teams like Iowa and BYU. Nothing will change until he is gone.

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    3. I’m not sure that they made the right decision in firing Hermon. I think Hermon is a good coach. I would have given him one more year. I’m certainly not convinced that Sark is a great HC. He’s an outstanding OC and play caller but he has never convinced me that he is a great HC. Maybe he will but right now I think that Texas may have made another mistake. We’ll see. But Texas doesn’t care. If Sark doesn’t work out, they’ll spend another 30-35 million to try again. Football is important to Texas. It could not be less important to the Board of Bustees at USC.

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      1. Completely agree that Sark is an odd choice for a historically premier program that could hire almost anyone. Herman wasn’t moving the needle for them, for whatever reason. I agree he can be a good coach, but it didn’t happen for him at Texas.

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      2. A recurring theme at the top ranks of CFB coaching is that a “defensive” expert HC will struggle without a top notch OC by his side.

        Orgeron has struggled over the years except when he had a brilliant OC.
        Bo Pellini struggled over the years when his offenses failed him..
        Dave Aranda will struggle in the Big12(-2) without a brilliant OC.
        Pete Carroll is no offensive genius. During his best years in CFB and the NFL, he’s had the best QB in the game. Russell Wilson has been an absolute gift.
        Maybe this was Tom Hermann’s issue at UT?

        I think Sark’s O will put up some points–esp if he recruits gifted QB’s/WR’s/RB’s–all of which are plentiful in Texas. HS FB He’ll need some D help fo sure! I haven’t watched the Red River Rivalry for years, but I might just tune in this Fall.

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  2. Most of those hires are hires because of other people. Contrary to what I hear on the internet, I think Clay Helton works hard at this job. He gives it a 150-200% effort. This is contrary to Pat Haden who took the easy way out when hiring. He didn’t interview anyone. He just hired former SC assistant Sark and then hired current SC assistant Helton. I think that Helton searches the country and works overtime trying to find the right guy. The problem is that nobody wants to work for Helton. He has no clout. Why would you want to come and work for a coach who might be fired next year? I know I’ll get some negative comments about that statement.

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    1. Don’t worry Parcelman! I think all of us believes that Gomer works hard. He spends a lot of time on the job. He spends a lot of time speaking nonsense to the press, to recruits, to Coach Folt and the Bohner. Our issue with him is that he is not very smart.

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      1. I think that he really believes that he will bring back the glory days. It just takes time. I see no reason to believe that. I’m trying to not make my comments a put-down but I just think that he’s living in dream world. But like I have said before, if he goes 12-1 next season, I will support him. Unfortunately, I’m not holding my breath.

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      2. Clay has deluded himself into thinking that he is capable of coaching a team that otherwise would be in the natty conversation every year. Maybe a course of electroshock therapy is in order…

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      3. Clay is not the worst coach in college football. He’s a guy that just misses the boat. I think we outgained Oregon in that title game. I know we outgained Ohio State in that Cotton Bowl. USC does show up sometimes in Big Games. But we lose because we get the ball stripped after big gains (Ohio State) or we shoot ourselves in the foot on key drives (Oregon). Roger Federer once said that the top 20 guys on the tour are pretty even in most ways —but the top 3 guys are the ones that know how to play the big points. Helton is a top 20 guy.
        #He’llNeverBeATop3Guy

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      4. Michael, with all due respect, I am not seeing Clay as a top 20 tennis guy. In the world of tennis analogies, I put Clay behind Larry Scott, whose singles record on the ATP was about 1-18.

        For my money, I’d put Clay as the worst Power 5 coach who has been employed for the last 5 years. Chip would come close if we were to rank them over the last 3 years, but Chip hasn’t had the talent USC has had.

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      5. To paraphrase the guy in The Last Days Of Disco, “I was just trying to think of something nice to say about Mr. Helton so Mrs. Helton would have something to hang on to.”
        #YouWereBrutal,67

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      6. I think you just slipped a few more gratuitous shots into that reply, 67. [I love it when either of us slimes in remarks about poor Mrs. Helton being forced to live with Mr. Helton’s “shortcomings”]……
        Don’t look now, btw, but USC basketball is reaching superpower heights.
        #Well,NotExactly —ButYouKnowWhatIMean…

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      7. Yes sir, 11-2, after beating a gritty Wazzu 9-3 team. Granted, Wazzu lost by 30 to the gutties, but I am guessing they had a bunch of guys missing due to COVID. At least a good potential explanation.

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      8. I think HC CH is plenty smart. He’s just not CEO smart.
        When I listened to Nick Saban this week give his brief message after winning another Natty, Nick sounded “CEO smart.”

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    2. His dreamworld is our nightmare. He’s been the HC since the 2016 season – that 5 years. Enough time tor judge him based on his record of wins & loses, player development, graduation rate, mentoring coaches, etc. He has not lost a coach because another program poached him [McCullough is the exception who after 1 year saw the shitshow and quickly looked elsewhere]. He was NEVER a HC before the SC job. Blueblood program do not do this unless the candidate is being groomed internally. Lincoln Riley and Ryan Day were the actual OC before getting the HC job. While Helton may have had the OC title under Sark, he certainly wasn’t the mastermind behind it as proven once Sark left [i.e. which offense is better/more dynamic: Harrell Air Raid or Sark’s RPO at Bama]. It’s not about how hard he works or how many hours he puts in – if he can’t do the job that is 100% irrelevant. He’s a conman, why you and Folt don’t see it is beyond me.

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  3. I’m surprised Clay didn’t have the players wearing pads when they were working out.

    Or maybe he did.

    We’ll see how this new clown they hired feels about the pillow fight practices.

    LMFAO!

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    1. Exactly! all those 4 and 5 star players mean nothing when one team plays football and the other is playing Sarcastaball.

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  4. I just left the room as the second episode of “Wanda Vision” was beginning. It was totally redundant to stay and watch an insipid attempt of a tie in to the Marvel universe. It tried to be a sitcom from the early days of television, but it tried too hard.
    But it reminds me of USC football these days. The team wears the colors and even looks sorta like they are playing football. But they try too hard to impress with a muddled message. My daughter swears it will get better, but I hold little stock in the future of anything that supplies it’s viewers with a laugh track. I am quickly losing my patience.

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    1. Think about this, Rialto: USC uses a laugh track at the coliseum next year —every time Clay calls a timeout within the first half of the first quarter, we get the raucous laugh track from Married With Children — every time Clay put 10 (or fewer) players on the field we get the over the top laugh track rom Everybody Loves Raymond.

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  5. Make no mistake, C&H is definitely Hackett 2.0. The worst HC in the PAC-12, and might be the worst HC in all Power 5. Evidence? No discipline, horrible recruiting balance (i.e. no O-line), no vision (Air Raid does not win NCs), no player development. 1 player saved his job (Sam Darnold) and guaranteed his contract extension by improvising every play after it broke down with pure raw talent, and C&H did not have him listed as the starter in favor of his “favorite” even after his own coaches were giving the decisive nod to Darnold. Further proof? Closed practices to avoid critique and criticism, duplicitous praise and then firings of coaching staff to avoid taking any blame or personal accountability, mealy-mouth comments to the press that depart from reality, e.g. “we are really close to doing something great…”

    When the HC is bad, the program stinks from the neck up – it’s time for a change. He’s lost the confidence of the constituency – and when the voice of the faithful is not heard, the flock scatters…

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    1. I don’t think you’re giving Clay enough credit, trojanation —- when he says, “we are really close to doing something great…”, he’s referring to the talks he’s had with President Folt and A.D. Bohn about his ass getting fired the first time he loses a Pac 12 South game next season……

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  6. At first I was really happy about the Bohn hire but then we found out that Folt carries his balls in her purse, so I thought he now has no integrity as he should’ve told her to take the job and shove it.
    Fast forward, maybe there is a method to his madness. He’s remade the coaching staff save the OL. If he has a deal with Fickell [nudge, nudge, wink, wink] or anybody else then that HC will come in and the majority of the staff will be retaing with the exception of Helton and Harrell.

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    1. Fickell is many years off into the future, given his sweet contract at Cincy.
      Nevertheless, he would be an improvement to the program.

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    1. Clay turned USC into Western Kentucky and now Mike Bohn is aspiring the Trojans to be the Cincinnati Bearcats.

      C.L. Max Nikias plan of De-Emphasizing Trojan football is working to perfection, pretty soon USC will be the Bowling Green of the west.

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  7. Just wondering if Stiner is going to be ok with being loved. Gomer loves everyone. Has Folt gotten in on the love. Boner?
    What’s next…..a group hug at practice. Maybe they could arrange for the team to send kisses across the way to Notre Dame……or a hug? Just imagine Kelly’s face when Gomer offers the hug. I bet at the next Bama game Saban just waves.

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